Indiana University Athletics
Allen, DeBord Post Practice Media
8/4/2017 4:49:00 PM | Football
BLOOMINGTON, Ind. - Following Friday's practice, head coach Tom Allen and associate head coach Mike DeBord met with the media to talk about Indiana's first three days of fall camp. Their transcripts can be viewed below.
Tom Allen
Talk about this scale.
It represents the 25 opportunities to prepare for game one, Ohio State. On one scale we have assumed they will maximize all 25 opportunities, and the other side based on how we practice and how we prepare that day. We are trying to deposit a penny on that side each, showing them that it is a daily process. We will have those scales tipped in our favor for the first game.
Where did the idea come from?
Just by reading some good books. That is where I get most of my ideas.
Thoughts on College Gameday coming to town.
I tweeted it out last night. It was already the biggest home opener that we have had because we knew they were going to be ranked very high in the preseason, they are ranked No. 2 in the poll yesterday, No. 1 in a previous, so they will be No. 1 or 2 to start the season. To play a conference opponent this early that is ranked that highly has not happened yet. Now you add in that College Gameday is coming and that makes it a little bit bigger. We are excited, we showed that to our guys yesterday in the meeting. Obviously, it is just the next big game here, we have played a lot of those in the last few years for sure. To have that kind of environment, I have coached 25 years and it has happened one time. It is a unique thing that Bloomington has not yet experienced. It is pretty special and our kids are excited for it, for sure.
How did you let the team know?
It kind of got slipped out, not by myself, but by someone else. It was said kind of quick, so a couple of guys were looking around wondering if he just said what they thought he said. They really were not sure, so we made a big deal out of it last night. We had a thing on the video screen. We had some fun with it.
What guys do you need to step up in the absence of Nile Sykes?
Robert McCray has got to be a big one. I feel like he will. Greg Gooch has continued to be a dominant player in the pass rush game. Any time you lose a guy that gives you numbers, it is a tough loss for us. I feel terrible for him. He was having the best summer of his life and was working extremely hard. That is part of it, it is not always fair. That is what you have to learn to deal with.
What are your thoughts of Mike DeBord's presence when building the offense?
He is confident. He does not get rattled. He knows what he wants and he just systematically gets it done. He does not get too excited when things are going well early or frustrated when they do not go the way you want, so it is a calming effect for everybody. That is good because I am pretty excitable, so we make a pretty good compliment to one another.
How would you evaluate the first three days of practice?
I did not really like today in terms of the overall structure. It was things like the play was scripted to be lined up here and somebody did not follow it. Those things irritate me, because I want things done the right way. As far as on the field, I thought it was really good. The offense was making plays, we were working through some things on the defensive end so we were expecting to give some things up. I thought it was our best offensive day so far, yesterday was the best defensive day. That is what you want. You are going against each other, so it is going to be give and take. I have never walked off the field thinking that both sides had a good day. I feel that when you are working on your stuff and going against yourself it is good to have some back and forth. The effort has been great, the kids are working hard. I love the mindset that they have had. They have had tremendous lock-in at the evening meetings. They have tremendous buy-in. Those things matter to me and I am seeing a lot of that right now.
How much has Chris Covington embraced playing linebacker?
From a leadership perspective, he had a great summer. To me, that was step number one to show his teammates, his staff and himself that he can be a guy that can be counted on. He has not stayed healthy in the past, so that has been a big thing to get his body right. He has to continue to do all of the little things right to stay healthy throughout the season. He made plays for us last year and I thought that he did a nice job when he did play for us. He has to be consistent. The preparation was there over the summer, now let's just do it every day. Dameon Willis is another guy that has got to step up and he has. At this point he has got to just continue working. I feel that you need that one guy there to own the position, and that is why I put the challenge out to Chris. I think he has responded well.
What do you think about some of the younger quarterbacks?
With Peyton Ramsey, every time we do something live he always seems to elevate his game. He has the ability to step up in the pocket and make you pay for not accounting for him. Obviously, Nick Tronti is spinning a little bit right now. This is his first time for a lot of these things as he was not here in the spring. He is a gym rat, he is always in here studying. It takes time. His attention to detail and his study habits are impressive. Both of those guys have done a really good job. They have to continue to develop.
Who needs to step up on the offensive line in the absence of Brandon Knight?
Delroy Baker is the big one. I think that Harry Crider is another one. I thought that all spring long, even when he was not here, that just knowing the person that he is and the kind of athlete he is, it would surprise me if he was not right there helping this team in a big way on the offensive line. He has done nothing but reaffirm that in these first couple of days. He is a big guy that is athletic. Any time you have an offensive lineman that plays baseball, like Coy Cronk, multisport guys in those positions are a pretty good sign as to the athletes you are looking for. He falls in that line.
On Caleb Jones at left tackle.
His feet are great. He is huge now. He is a really, really big guy. When I stand next to him I just feel like such a small person. He has very good feet. He needs to develop and get a little stronger, but he is someone that our staff is very impressed with. He is going to get stronger and more developed, but we feel that he is a guy that can play that spot, which is not what I would have expected in the beginning. Hats off to him for all of the work that he has put in. I tell you, this freshman class is filled with really good kids that have high character, good talent, some of them have great talent, all of them are going to be great players because they are going to do all of the little things right off of the field, in the weight room and their development is going to be escalated because of all of those attributes. You can win with guys like that. I really love that class.
On Simmie Cobbs' off the field situation.
I really do not know. I know that we are still gathering information. Until we get all of the facts in, we will not put anything in concrete. Right now, I do not know.
What makes an offense tough in the red zone?
First of all, the perimeter jump balls. We have a lot of those guys. To me, that is a physical issue that sometimes we do not have an answer for. If you try to take that away, it weakens you up in other spots. If the offense has one of those guys, we can kind of handle it, but if you have two and a third guy in the middle that stresses you, like Ian Thomas, it creates a lot of problems for a defense. You have to decide, do you pressure or do you cover. I know that we have the pieces offensively to put pressure on a defense, which excites me. It frustrates me as a defensive guy during practice, but that is good for us. I think that teams that can get down in there and mix it up will keep them on their heels. I think that we have the skillset of guys to do that.
What does Ian Thomas bring to the tight end position this year?
Any time where you are in a position with a guy of his size, he weighs 250 pounds, and speed is matched up with linebackers and safeties, that is a tough deal for the defense. That is what he gives you. Tight ends can become a really strong safety net for the quarterback because they have a big catch radius, they are big, strong guys and have dependable hands. The QB's will find themselves looking that way. In the run game, those guys are in run/pass conflict. To me, as a defensive coach, those type of guys make me really nervous. When scouting a team, the first thing I look at is their tight ends and how athletic they are, the ability to stretch the field and to be a threat in the pass game but also be physical enough to hurt you in the run game. Those are the types of qualities that he gives us. I can see why coach DeBord likes him and why Richard Lagow likes him. We are excited about him and his development.
Are there any freshman that stick out on the defensive side of the ball?
Juan Harris is a guy that has changed his body. Hats off to him and how hard he has worked. He has bought into what we have asked of him. He is a very powerful kid. He is learning how to play hard and getting into shape to play more snaps. He is hard to move right now. He is a big ol' boy. For some of the things we are asking him to do, he is a perfect fit for that. He is a guy that we really like. Bryant Fitzgerald is another one that is just different. I knew that he was a really special player. I told people last year that I thought he was the best player in the state in terms of offense, defense and special teams. The guy can play s lot of positions. He can return kicks and punts. We need that depth. LaDamion Hunt, a cornerback, has caught my eye. He is a big, good looking kid as a corner. He is so eager to do all of the little things that you ask him to do. We are really excited about him. Juwan Burgess is another one that sticks out to me. You see them out on the field and you see that they have something to them. There are several others, but once again, that is a very broad class that covers a lot of different positions. I think it is going to be a class that we are talking about for a while because they are a very strong foundational class for us.
What is Juan Harris' optimum playing weight?
We gave him the goal of being between 350 and 360 pounds, which is a lot. He has lost a lot of weight already.
How nice is it to have J-Shun Harris back out there?
I have never had the privilege of watching him at full strength. He is another one that is eager to do whatever you ask of him, so I am so excited to have him back. I know it has been a hard road for him to get back, but we need his explosiveness in the return game as well as from the slot position. He has the ability to make guys miss and do all of those little things. He will keep developing and keep getting stronger and better as the season goes on. He is so coachable. He does what he is supposed to do and goes where he is supposed to be. He has talent, you cannot coach those quicks.
Mike DeBord
Opening Statement...
Big emphasis on red zone which as everybody is well aware of, we have to do a better job and I really like what we did in the red zone today. We did a nice job throwing the ball down there and running it. But I like where we are. The biggest thing is when you come off of summer workouts with the players when they're out there by themselves, the biggest thing that our players have to learn is the tempo after the play – sprinting back, getting lined up as fast as they can. That is just something that has to be coached every day. We're doing that, we will be there, we'll get there.
On what the key to success in the red zone is…
Obviously if you're running the ball down there, there is going to be safeties that are tighter. So you have to do a great job of blocking the front up there. But everything in any part of the field starts with protection of the guys up front, that's where it all starts. But down there throwing the ball, we're putting in things scheme wise that these players haven't done, that's one thing. The other thing is, and I said this earlier, I feel like I have to do a great job of putting the ball in the end zone with throws. I learned that a couple years ago where it was almost like trying to play perfect. When you get down in the red zone, everything gets tighter, the coverage gets tighter, the linebackers are tighter, the safeties are up in there. It's hard to play perfect so you have to put the ball in the end zone. That's what we concentrated on today.
On what Ian Thomas brings to the tight end position…
Ian is first of all, a smart football player. We do a lot of different things with him in the throw game and the run game. He's smart, he's also very physical, he's 250 pounds and he plays strong that way. But then also he can run, he's a fast tight end. He's one of the fastest guys I've ever coached at tight end so he's a mismatch problem. When we started talking about this offense on day one with Thomas, we said 'what do we want with the tight end position?' it's a mismatch problem. A safety shouldn't be able to guard him, a linebacker should not so that's what he's able to take advantage of.
On Peyton Ramsey and Nick Tronti…
What we're doing right now is rotating those guys to try and figure out who are No. 2 is going to be. We thought Peyton had a really good spring. Obviously Nick wasn't here so he's learning but he's getting reps. It's just an evaluation process, we've only been through three practices but those guys will continue to get reps all the time to find out who are No. 2 guy is.
On key development points for Ramsey…
I think the biggest thing is he has to – a No. 2 never gets as many reps as a No. 1, that's normal – but when he gets his reps he has to do a great job taking care of the ball. That goes back to playing the quarterback position. I think the other thing is his throwing the ball down the field a little bit more. That would be something he's continuing to work on.
On how he approaches building the offense…
It always depends on the drill. When I'm calling plays I can't get feisty. But I feel like this – and it's the culture Tom Allen has built here – but we're going to be positive, we're going to teach and we're going to demand. That doesn't mean you can't get a little feisty there but you want to be positive with these players and that's what we are. I feel like I am a teacher, I feel like all of our coaches are teachers and there is a lot of ways to teach. I have my way and I'm not saying it's the right way or the wrong way but I just have my way. There's times I do get after them a little bit and there's times I'm patting them on the back. I think we're building confidence on offense, I really do. To build confidence, you've got to be a confident coach. Grant Heard talked about that two days ago in our staff meeting about being a confident coach out there all the time. I have great confidence in our players, I have great confidence in all our coaches and so I try and coach that way.
On any of the freshmen standing out so far…
I think in the offensive line, Harry Crider has done a really good job. Caleb Jones, as big as he is wow that man can move. He's going to be a really good football player. Those are two of the guys up front. Peyton Hendershot is going to be a really good tight end. I can keep talking but this is a really good class and we're excited about it.
On how the offensive line is coming together so far…
Today was the first day with the shoulder pads on and I thought we had some good stuff. We have some things that we have to clean up and that's typical. I talked to our offense day one and said 'did anyone walk out of here and feel like we're ready to play Ohio State today? No. We will be ready when game time comes.' I always believed training camp is a process, just like the offensive line, just like with all positions, it's a process. I expect tomorrow with the pads on, we get better that way too. But there's some good stuff out there.
On the running back position…
That seems to be a question everybody asks. Everybody wants to know about the running back position. But right now – three practices – we're rotating those guys too. We've got to find out who that guy is, who's No. 2, No. 3, etc. so you don't do that after just three practices so we're just rotating them and we're going to find out who those guys are. Right now you see some really good strengths but once you get the pads on, that really proves who the players are when you have the pads. It's day one so I don't know yet.
Tom Allen
Talk about this scale.
It represents the 25 opportunities to prepare for game one, Ohio State. On one scale we have assumed they will maximize all 25 opportunities, and the other side based on how we practice and how we prepare that day. We are trying to deposit a penny on that side each, showing them that it is a daily process. We will have those scales tipped in our favor for the first game.
Where did the idea come from?
Just by reading some good books. That is where I get most of my ideas.
Thoughts on College Gameday coming to town.
I tweeted it out last night. It was already the biggest home opener that we have had because we knew they were going to be ranked very high in the preseason, they are ranked No. 2 in the poll yesterday, No. 1 in a previous, so they will be No. 1 or 2 to start the season. To play a conference opponent this early that is ranked that highly has not happened yet. Now you add in that College Gameday is coming and that makes it a little bit bigger. We are excited, we showed that to our guys yesterday in the meeting. Obviously, it is just the next big game here, we have played a lot of those in the last few years for sure. To have that kind of environment, I have coached 25 years and it has happened one time. It is a unique thing that Bloomington has not yet experienced. It is pretty special and our kids are excited for it, for sure.
How did you let the team know?
It kind of got slipped out, not by myself, but by someone else. It was said kind of quick, so a couple of guys were looking around wondering if he just said what they thought he said. They really were not sure, so we made a big deal out of it last night. We had a thing on the video screen. We had some fun with it.
What guys do you need to step up in the absence of Nile Sykes?
Robert McCray has got to be a big one. I feel like he will. Greg Gooch has continued to be a dominant player in the pass rush game. Any time you lose a guy that gives you numbers, it is a tough loss for us. I feel terrible for him. He was having the best summer of his life and was working extremely hard. That is part of it, it is not always fair. That is what you have to learn to deal with.
What are your thoughts of Mike DeBord's presence when building the offense?
He is confident. He does not get rattled. He knows what he wants and he just systematically gets it done. He does not get too excited when things are going well early or frustrated when they do not go the way you want, so it is a calming effect for everybody. That is good because I am pretty excitable, so we make a pretty good compliment to one another.
How would you evaluate the first three days of practice?
I did not really like today in terms of the overall structure. It was things like the play was scripted to be lined up here and somebody did not follow it. Those things irritate me, because I want things done the right way. As far as on the field, I thought it was really good. The offense was making plays, we were working through some things on the defensive end so we were expecting to give some things up. I thought it was our best offensive day so far, yesterday was the best defensive day. That is what you want. You are going against each other, so it is going to be give and take. I have never walked off the field thinking that both sides had a good day. I feel that when you are working on your stuff and going against yourself it is good to have some back and forth. The effort has been great, the kids are working hard. I love the mindset that they have had. They have had tremendous lock-in at the evening meetings. They have tremendous buy-in. Those things matter to me and I am seeing a lot of that right now.
How much has Chris Covington embraced playing linebacker?
From a leadership perspective, he had a great summer. To me, that was step number one to show his teammates, his staff and himself that he can be a guy that can be counted on. He has not stayed healthy in the past, so that has been a big thing to get his body right. He has to continue to do all of the little things right to stay healthy throughout the season. He made plays for us last year and I thought that he did a nice job when he did play for us. He has to be consistent. The preparation was there over the summer, now let's just do it every day. Dameon Willis is another guy that has got to step up and he has. At this point he has got to just continue working. I feel that you need that one guy there to own the position, and that is why I put the challenge out to Chris. I think he has responded well.
What do you think about some of the younger quarterbacks?
With Peyton Ramsey, every time we do something live he always seems to elevate his game. He has the ability to step up in the pocket and make you pay for not accounting for him. Obviously, Nick Tronti is spinning a little bit right now. This is his first time for a lot of these things as he was not here in the spring. He is a gym rat, he is always in here studying. It takes time. His attention to detail and his study habits are impressive. Both of those guys have done a really good job. They have to continue to develop.
Who needs to step up on the offensive line in the absence of Brandon Knight?
Delroy Baker is the big one. I think that Harry Crider is another one. I thought that all spring long, even when he was not here, that just knowing the person that he is and the kind of athlete he is, it would surprise me if he was not right there helping this team in a big way on the offensive line. He has done nothing but reaffirm that in these first couple of days. He is a big guy that is athletic. Any time you have an offensive lineman that plays baseball, like Coy Cronk, multisport guys in those positions are a pretty good sign as to the athletes you are looking for. He falls in that line.
On Caleb Jones at left tackle.
His feet are great. He is huge now. He is a really, really big guy. When I stand next to him I just feel like such a small person. He has very good feet. He needs to develop and get a little stronger, but he is someone that our staff is very impressed with. He is going to get stronger and more developed, but we feel that he is a guy that can play that spot, which is not what I would have expected in the beginning. Hats off to him for all of the work that he has put in. I tell you, this freshman class is filled with really good kids that have high character, good talent, some of them have great talent, all of them are going to be great players because they are going to do all of the little things right off of the field, in the weight room and their development is going to be escalated because of all of those attributes. You can win with guys like that. I really love that class.
On Simmie Cobbs' off the field situation.
I really do not know. I know that we are still gathering information. Until we get all of the facts in, we will not put anything in concrete. Right now, I do not know.
What makes an offense tough in the red zone?
First of all, the perimeter jump balls. We have a lot of those guys. To me, that is a physical issue that sometimes we do not have an answer for. If you try to take that away, it weakens you up in other spots. If the offense has one of those guys, we can kind of handle it, but if you have two and a third guy in the middle that stresses you, like Ian Thomas, it creates a lot of problems for a defense. You have to decide, do you pressure or do you cover. I know that we have the pieces offensively to put pressure on a defense, which excites me. It frustrates me as a defensive guy during practice, but that is good for us. I think that teams that can get down in there and mix it up will keep them on their heels. I think that we have the skillset of guys to do that.
What does Ian Thomas bring to the tight end position this year?
Any time where you are in a position with a guy of his size, he weighs 250 pounds, and speed is matched up with linebackers and safeties, that is a tough deal for the defense. That is what he gives you. Tight ends can become a really strong safety net for the quarterback because they have a big catch radius, they are big, strong guys and have dependable hands. The QB's will find themselves looking that way. In the run game, those guys are in run/pass conflict. To me, as a defensive coach, those type of guys make me really nervous. When scouting a team, the first thing I look at is their tight ends and how athletic they are, the ability to stretch the field and to be a threat in the pass game but also be physical enough to hurt you in the run game. Those are the types of qualities that he gives us. I can see why coach DeBord likes him and why Richard Lagow likes him. We are excited about him and his development.
Are there any freshman that stick out on the defensive side of the ball?
Juan Harris is a guy that has changed his body. Hats off to him and how hard he has worked. He has bought into what we have asked of him. He is a very powerful kid. He is learning how to play hard and getting into shape to play more snaps. He is hard to move right now. He is a big ol' boy. For some of the things we are asking him to do, he is a perfect fit for that. He is a guy that we really like. Bryant Fitzgerald is another one that is just different. I knew that he was a really special player. I told people last year that I thought he was the best player in the state in terms of offense, defense and special teams. The guy can play s lot of positions. He can return kicks and punts. We need that depth. LaDamion Hunt, a cornerback, has caught my eye. He is a big, good looking kid as a corner. He is so eager to do all of the little things that you ask him to do. We are really excited about him. Juwan Burgess is another one that sticks out to me. You see them out on the field and you see that they have something to them. There are several others, but once again, that is a very broad class that covers a lot of different positions. I think it is going to be a class that we are talking about for a while because they are a very strong foundational class for us.
What is Juan Harris' optimum playing weight?
We gave him the goal of being between 350 and 360 pounds, which is a lot. He has lost a lot of weight already.
How nice is it to have J-Shun Harris back out there?
I have never had the privilege of watching him at full strength. He is another one that is eager to do whatever you ask of him, so I am so excited to have him back. I know it has been a hard road for him to get back, but we need his explosiveness in the return game as well as from the slot position. He has the ability to make guys miss and do all of those little things. He will keep developing and keep getting stronger and better as the season goes on. He is so coachable. He does what he is supposed to do and goes where he is supposed to be. He has talent, you cannot coach those quicks.
Mike DeBord
Opening Statement...
Big emphasis on red zone which as everybody is well aware of, we have to do a better job and I really like what we did in the red zone today. We did a nice job throwing the ball down there and running it. But I like where we are. The biggest thing is when you come off of summer workouts with the players when they're out there by themselves, the biggest thing that our players have to learn is the tempo after the play – sprinting back, getting lined up as fast as they can. That is just something that has to be coached every day. We're doing that, we will be there, we'll get there.
On what the key to success in the red zone is…
Obviously if you're running the ball down there, there is going to be safeties that are tighter. So you have to do a great job of blocking the front up there. But everything in any part of the field starts with protection of the guys up front, that's where it all starts. But down there throwing the ball, we're putting in things scheme wise that these players haven't done, that's one thing. The other thing is, and I said this earlier, I feel like I have to do a great job of putting the ball in the end zone with throws. I learned that a couple years ago where it was almost like trying to play perfect. When you get down in the red zone, everything gets tighter, the coverage gets tighter, the linebackers are tighter, the safeties are up in there. It's hard to play perfect so you have to put the ball in the end zone. That's what we concentrated on today.
On what Ian Thomas brings to the tight end position…
Ian is first of all, a smart football player. We do a lot of different things with him in the throw game and the run game. He's smart, he's also very physical, he's 250 pounds and he plays strong that way. But then also he can run, he's a fast tight end. He's one of the fastest guys I've ever coached at tight end so he's a mismatch problem. When we started talking about this offense on day one with Thomas, we said 'what do we want with the tight end position?' it's a mismatch problem. A safety shouldn't be able to guard him, a linebacker should not so that's what he's able to take advantage of.
On Peyton Ramsey and Nick Tronti…
What we're doing right now is rotating those guys to try and figure out who are No. 2 is going to be. We thought Peyton had a really good spring. Obviously Nick wasn't here so he's learning but he's getting reps. It's just an evaluation process, we've only been through three practices but those guys will continue to get reps all the time to find out who are No. 2 guy is.
On key development points for Ramsey…
I think the biggest thing is he has to – a No. 2 never gets as many reps as a No. 1, that's normal – but when he gets his reps he has to do a great job taking care of the ball. That goes back to playing the quarterback position. I think the other thing is his throwing the ball down the field a little bit more. That would be something he's continuing to work on.
On how he approaches building the offense…
It always depends on the drill. When I'm calling plays I can't get feisty. But I feel like this – and it's the culture Tom Allen has built here – but we're going to be positive, we're going to teach and we're going to demand. That doesn't mean you can't get a little feisty there but you want to be positive with these players and that's what we are. I feel like I am a teacher, I feel like all of our coaches are teachers and there is a lot of ways to teach. I have my way and I'm not saying it's the right way or the wrong way but I just have my way. There's times I do get after them a little bit and there's times I'm patting them on the back. I think we're building confidence on offense, I really do. To build confidence, you've got to be a confident coach. Grant Heard talked about that two days ago in our staff meeting about being a confident coach out there all the time. I have great confidence in our players, I have great confidence in all our coaches and so I try and coach that way.
On any of the freshmen standing out so far…
I think in the offensive line, Harry Crider has done a really good job. Caleb Jones, as big as he is wow that man can move. He's going to be a really good football player. Those are two of the guys up front. Peyton Hendershot is going to be a really good tight end. I can keep talking but this is a really good class and we're excited about it.
On how the offensive line is coming together so far…
Today was the first day with the shoulder pads on and I thought we had some good stuff. We have some things that we have to clean up and that's typical. I talked to our offense day one and said 'did anyone walk out of here and feel like we're ready to play Ohio State today? No. We will be ready when game time comes.' I always believed training camp is a process, just like the offensive line, just like with all positions, it's a process. I expect tomorrow with the pads on, we get better that way too. But there's some good stuff out there.
On the running back position…
That seems to be a question everybody asks. Everybody wants to know about the running back position. But right now – three practices – we're rotating those guys too. We've got to find out who that guy is, who's No. 2, No. 3, etc. so you don't do that after just three practices so we're just rotating them and we're going to find out who those guys are. Right now you see some really good strengths but once you get the pads on, that really proves who the players are when you have the pads. It's day one so I don't know yet.
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