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Postgame Quotes: Indiana vs. South Dakota State
11/30/2019 6:24:00 PM | Men's Basketball
Indiana Head Coach Archie Miller
ARCHIE MILLER: Good win for our team. South Dakota State, have a lot of respect for them. They have played a lot of tough places already this season. Douglas Wilson coming in and watching him and Brandon Key, in particular, we were really concerned. And looking at the stat sheet I thought our team did a really nice job against their best two guys of holding that down and really the difference in the game. Our rebounding, obviously from an offensive perspective, Trayce and Justin did a great job. Trayce in particular was very dominant on the glass and we were able to make enough plays to hold a lead. But without question, there's just a little bit of that funny feeling that we're not playing as well as we need to, we're not as sharp as we need to and we got to take care of the ball a little bit better.
But we finished November and we put this one to bed and, obviously, from this point forward things get a lot more difficult for us and it starts on Tuesday, and our preparation for Florida State will begin now, and it should be a great opportunity to play against a terrific ACC team. Depth and size at the highest level.
So but it's a good group. Our team's got to keep getting better. And I think as we continue to evolve here, I think you're starting to see a lot of different guys contribute, which I'm happy about, but I think we can still make a big, big jump. And as we can get some more guys in the game to play more minutes, I think that's going to be very, very important.
Q. You talked after the Louisiana Tech game about wanting to see longer possessions for the offenses going against your defense and I think you had two shot clock violations in the first half here --
ARCHIE MILLER: Yeah, we were better tonight defensively, in particular we didn't get it spread out, and we were a little better defensively in transition at times. South Dakota State completely took the air out of the ball. When you put five guys in the paint on defense you're going to make some shots. We made enough. Our percentages weren't terrible at halftime, but clearly when you're 15 feet off your man at five positions, you're basically saying, hey, look, we're just going to let these guys shoot and hopefully they miss. And for, we have to be able to grind it away a little bit. We have to figure out those grinder games and be able to play without turning it over and get some quality possessions.
I thought the free-throw line was a bugaboo tonight. I thought we had four pair or at least three pair. You can pretty much equate those to turnovers. When you go to the line and have you a pair and you miss two, that's an empty possession. So I think we had three or four of those, which was a little uncharacteristic for us tonight, which kept that lead right around where it was instead of 15, 16, 17.
And then on the other end of the floor, for us, I thought they methodically ran their offense. They tried to get good looks. But for our guys I thought we did a nice job of taking away the easy ones. We didn't get to spread out. We didn't give as much of a pick and roll game up. We still got to do a better job guarding the ball. And for a big team we don't play big around the rim. There's not enough shot blocking, there's not enough hard plays at the basket, but that's getting ready to really change as we get ready to keep move forward here on, especially on Tuesday with the amount of size, talent, and athleticism that's going to come our way. But better defensively. From a percentage standpoint, we were clearly better there.
Q. Trayce with another double double. What does he allow you to do differently maybe than you were able to do in the past just with his quickness and athleticism, everything that he brings to the floor?
ARCHIE MILLER: Well he's just a natural. He's got great hands and length. He's a spring off the boards in terms of being able to go get the ball. He's getting balls that other guys can't get. So that's, obviously, a gift that he brings to the table. But he continues to do that for you us, which is important. Rebounding the ball is a huge deal for this team. Nine offensive rebounds is something else. But 19 and 14 is obviously a big deal.
Justin was good on the offensive glass with his effort, but I didn't see the amount of the onslaught that we've seen in different games. And maybe it was just our rotation didn't allow for different guys to get in there. But we didn't have as many guys impacting the boards as I would like and that's got to change. We got to continue to find ways to impact the game on the glass. Teams aren't going to obviously let us just run out and get going, so the second shots is a big part of what we're doing. But Trayce was dominant on the glass tonight. He went up and got five, six balls that nobody else can get. And in and around the basket, continuing to find different ways for him to be effective is a big deal.
Q. You just mentioned the fact that it's going to get a lot more difficult after this. At this point what do you feel good about going into the stretch? What do you feel best about going into the stretch where you're going to play all high majors going forward? And what are you most concerned about?
ARCHIE MILLER: Well I continue to be concerned about our defense. I think at the end of the day our lack of depth at guard is really going to get exposed as we start to play the talent level and the guards on the other team. Hopefully we can get Robert back at some point in time. That's undecided right now. But Armaan and Al and Devonte, being our guard tandem right now have got to continue to do a great job of being better on the ball.
From an off-the-ball defensive prospective in defending the post, we are going to have to continue to use our depth and to use our team approach in determines of defending the paint and get better there defensively. My biggest concern going into some of these games is taking care of the ball. Our guard play here in the last couple games in terms of taking care of it hasn't been very good. And I just think some of the other guys just dropping balls or not catching them or missing point blank layups, we got to be better than that in the simple plays. But offensively, if we're out of transition, we're not getting our break going, teams are going to take you out of that and make you play in the half court. Can we run efficient offense without turning the ball over? Because if we do, I think we can get to the foul line and I think that we have a lot of different players that can impact it. But if we turn it over 19 times, eight at the half, 11 more in the second half, that's a recipe for disaster. And Florida State is going to turn you over like crazy on Tuesday night. Their size, their switching, their length at the basket, it's going to be impossible just to get 2-point baskets. You're not going to have that. So our guards got to take care of it, our team has to be better offensively to take care of the ball when we get into a half court setting. If we get into transition, obviously, I think that's where we're at our best, but that's not going to be the case. We have to be able to run good offense, get quality shots, and at the end of the day we have to be a team that doesn't turn it over very many times. And these last three halfs; second half against our last opponent, and then moving into these last two halfs, if you look at the turnovers, it's just destroyed our offense. We really haven't taken care of the ball very well. So that's a big part of it is just taking care of the ball against good teams.
Q. You have all high majors going forward. Can you not have games where your two starting guards both didn't score a whole lot. Does that change when you're starting to face bigger teams now?
ARCHIE MILLER: Yeah, college basketball comes down to, obviously, your depth, but it comes down to guard play, we have always said that. And Al and Devonte tonight -- Al didn't shoot as it as much, I thought Al did a really nice job defensively, a big deal coming in the game was Brandon Key and his ability to make guys better. And he had six turnovers in the game and he was 1-6. Al had a big role in that. Devonte isn't, to me, wasn't feeling as well as he had in the past, you could tell that I didn't think he had his quickness as much, we're going to need him, but Al and Devonte in particular those guys are going to have to do a lot for us we know that. Armaan has got to get his confidence back, right now he's not playing with a whole lot of confidence shooting the ball, which, that's not a big deal, that comes and goes with young guys, it will come. And if we get Rob back here eventually it adds another guy where those guys aren't playing as many minutes. But we got to get Damezi and Jerome in there a little bit as much, as more. Part of their struggles offensively or part of their lack of scoring is they're just not playing enough minutes. Today they got more minutes, but as we play bigger teams, better teams those two guys got to continue to get in there.
Q. Second half you used the word "if" connected to Rob Phinisee's return. I guess is --
ARCHIE MILLER: I have no idea when he's going to
Q. Is that something being discussed?
ARCHIE MILLER: No. He's day-to-day with what we're doing, but I don't have a return date or when he's coming back to practice. He's kind of 50/50 on contact, non-contact. And but, no, there's no redshirt on the table right now.
Indiana Players - Devonte Green and Justin Smith
Q. Justin, it seems like you started to perfect that quick drive and then go up with the half hook. Is that, is that something you've always had or maybe something you're going to more this year?
JUSTIN SMITH: I guess so. If the guy who is guarding me is a smaller defender then I feel that I can use my strength to kind of get, use my body to get that quick hook shot over them. So it's definitely something I worked on over the summer and I'll continue to utilize during the season.
Q. For both you guys: You guys are open 7-0 on this season. What do both of you like about the team? And what do you really think that you guys are doing better this year than maybe you have in the past couple years?
DEVONTE GREEN: I like that we improve every game. I think we get a little better and take something away from the last game. Also, we come out to play as hard as we can every game.
JUSTIN SMITH: I would say our depth and being able to play one through, I think 11, just being able to three a bunch of different guys at the other team, create some matchup problems, and kind of just use our versatility to our strength.
Q. Devonte, I think Trayce has had four double doubles now in seven games. What's allowed him to come into college basketball and play this well as a freshman? And how much have you seen him improve since maybe this summer when he came on campus and started working with you guys?
DEVONTE GREEN: I think it's just mentality, keeping that aggressive mentality on the boards and around the paint. Also I mean, he's such a good athlete that it's, he has that advantage of getting boards over guys. So, I mean, I won't say much of an improvement. He has always been a good rebounder. I wouldn't say it was much of an improvement, but that's what he does.
Q. After the last game Coach talked about defense and making other teams work when they have the ball. You guys had a couple shot clock violations. Is that something you guys talked about this week and do you feel like you guys defended better overall today?
JUSTIN SMITH: Yeah, I would say that we did. We focused a lot on defense, especially ball screen defense, knowing that they really like to do that. So we were able to key in on our schemes and get it done defensively today.
Q. From a rebounding standpoint, you guys out-rebounded them 45 to 29. What has been the key for you guys just to hit the glass hard and especially to have that kind of advantage at that kind of margin?
DEVONTE GREEN: I think we emphasize it a lot in practice. Do a bunch of rebounding drills and, fortunately, we have just had a size advantage on our opponents, so I think that's part of it.
Q. Have you guys talked about how this is kind of your break, your change in the schedule? You go from playing mid majors to all bigger schools from this point forward. Or is that just something that's unspoken? And maybe moving forward, Devonte, do you see it as more, it will be more guard-oriented than maybe where you had the front-court advantage against these smaller school teams?
DEVONTE GREEN: We take every opponent just as serious as the next. And guards are always important in our offense, and just in this game. But I think if we keep doing what we're doing then we'll still have the advantage on the other team.
Q. Coach Miller has talked about wanting to have 12 or fewer turnovers, and last game wasn't good in that regard. And then tonight you guys had 19. What was maybe some of the issues that you either of you see that you had tonight and what can you do to correct that going forward?
JUSTIN SMITH: I would say in the first half we were trying to force it inside, especially with a team that was defending us by crowding the paint. There's a lot of different hands in there, so when we were throwing it inside it was hard to get around the defenders. I think also just being sure with our passes and not try and make the home-run play. Just kind of just making good plays. But we'll probably shore that up and I'm sure we'll work on that going forward.
Q. Justin, 16 offensive rebounds for you guys today but only six second-chance points. What could have helped you guys kind of convert on some of those extra opportunities for you guys today?
JUSTIN SMITH: Taking our time once we get the ball, going up strong, not letting the defense kind of impact us down there.
Q. I know Mike talked about kind of the break in the schedule from going from the mid majors to the high majors, but just for either of you who have played in big games in this arena there's going to be a big one here Tuesday. How excited are you to kind of get that maybe big-game atmosphere here at home for the first time this season?
DEVONTE GREEN: I'm always excited to play in Assembly Hall, but it's always an advantage for us when there's a lot more fans here and they're a lot louder and the game's more intense. So I would say I'm excited.
South Dakota State Head Coach Eric Henderson
Can we get your quick thoughts on the game?
Obviously, really proud of our guys' compete level, I thought they did a good job of battling. Defensively, we're pretty sharp on the glass and it took its toll and they used their length, athleticism and physicality and got a few too many extra chances. Obviously, having 17 turnovers is something that we've struggled with all year to be honest with you. It's something that we need to improve on. When you come into an environment like this and you give up second chance points and then you don't take care of the basketball as well as you'd like, it puts you in a tough spot. But really proud of our guys' effort and their compete level. We're always going to do that, so proud of that.
You mentioned the second chances, was that a concern coming into the game?
Yes. Certainly, when you play a power five school like this, you worry about their athleticism and their physicality and you always know it's something that you have to be conscious of. We certainly were, and we certainly talked about it. But it's certainly easier said than done.
Was there anything Indiana did that surprised or impressed you?
We thought maybe they'd get out and pressure us a little bit and spread the floor out and we'd try and play behind it. But they did a good job of shrinking the floor and making us score from the perimeter, which we didn't shoot very well either. So, that combination wasn't great. But, they did a good job of protecting the rim. I just thought they'd get out and pressure us a little bit, but they are who they are and they're going to do what they do.
Tray Buchanan had a huge game, was that something you expected coming in? Especially against Indiana's bigger lineups?
Tray is a dynamic player, he has that scorer's mentality. He is very capable and night of putting the ball in the basket. That was good to see from Tray. We've been trying to work him in more and more. He's had limited minutes up till now, and he's proved that he's earned them. He's been very efficient and has been efficient as he's ever been, so really proud of Tray.
ARCHIE MILLER: Good win for our team. South Dakota State, have a lot of respect for them. They have played a lot of tough places already this season. Douglas Wilson coming in and watching him and Brandon Key, in particular, we were really concerned. And looking at the stat sheet I thought our team did a really nice job against their best two guys of holding that down and really the difference in the game. Our rebounding, obviously from an offensive perspective, Trayce and Justin did a great job. Trayce in particular was very dominant on the glass and we were able to make enough plays to hold a lead. But without question, there's just a little bit of that funny feeling that we're not playing as well as we need to, we're not as sharp as we need to and we got to take care of the ball a little bit better.
But we finished November and we put this one to bed and, obviously, from this point forward things get a lot more difficult for us and it starts on Tuesday, and our preparation for Florida State will begin now, and it should be a great opportunity to play against a terrific ACC team. Depth and size at the highest level.
So but it's a good group. Our team's got to keep getting better. And I think as we continue to evolve here, I think you're starting to see a lot of different guys contribute, which I'm happy about, but I think we can still make a big, big jump. And as we can get some more guys in the game to play more minutes, I think that's going to be very, very important.
Q. You talked after the Louisiana Tech game about wanting to see longer possessions for the offenses going against your defense and I think you had two shot clock violations in the first half here --
ARCHIE MILLER: Yeah, we were better tonight defensively, in particular we didn't get it spread out, and we were a little better defensively in transition at times. South Dakota State completely took the air out of the ball. When you put five guys in the paint on defense you're going to make some shots. We made enough. Our percentages weren't terrible at halftime, but clearly when you're 15 feet off your man at five positions, you're basically saying, hey, look, we're just going to let these guys shoot and hopefully they miss. And for, we have to be able to grind it away a little bit. We have to figure out those grinder games and be able to play without turning it over and get some quality possessions.
I thought the free-throw line was a bugaboo tonight. I thought we had four pair or at least three pair. You can pretty much equate those to turnovers. When you go to the line and have you a pair and you miss two, that's an empty possession. So I think we had three or four of those, which was a little uncharacteristic for us tonight, which kept that lead right around where it was instead of 15, 16, 17.
And then on the other end of the floor, for us, I thought they methodically ran their offense. They tried to get good looks. But for our guys I thought we did a nice job of taking away the easy ones. We didn't get to spread out. We didn't give as much of a pick and roll game up. We still got to do a better job guarding the ball. And for a big team we don't play big around the rim. There's not enough shot blocking, there's not enough hard plays at the basket, but that's getting ready to really change as we get ready to keep move forward here on, especially on Tuesday with the amount of size, talent, and athleticism that's going to come our way. But better defensively. From a percentage standpoint, we were clearly better there.
Q. Trayce with another double double. What does he allow you to do differently maybe than you were able to do in the past just with his quickness and athleticism, everything that he brings to the floor?
ARCHIE MILLER: Well he's just a natural. He's got great hands and length. He's a spring off the boards in terms of being able to go get the ball. He's getting balls that other guys can't get. So that's, obviously, a gift that he brings to the table. But he continues to do that for you us, which is important. Rebounding the ball is a huge deal for this team. Nine offensive rebounds is something else. But 19 and 14 is obviously a big deal.
Justin was good on the offensive glass with his effort, but I didn't see the amount of the onslaught that we've seen in different games. And maybe it was just our rotation didn't allow for different guys to get in there. But we didn't have as many guys impacting the boards as I would like and that's got to change. We got to continue to find ways to impact the game on the glass. Teams aren't going to obviously let us just run out and get going, so the second shots is a big part of what we're doing. But Trayce was dominant on the glass tonight. He went up and got five, six balls that nobody else can get. And in and around the basket, continuing to find different ways for him to be effective is a big deal.
Q. You just mentioned the fact that it's going to get a lot more difficult after this. At this point what do you feel good about going into the stretch? What do you feel best about going into the stretch where you're going to play all high majors going forward? And what are you most concerned about?
ARCHIE MILLER: Well I continue to be concerned about our defense. I think at the end of the day our lack of depth at guard is really going to get exposed as we start to play the talent level and the guards on the other team. Hopefully we can get Robert back at some point in time. That's undecided right now. But Armaan and Al and Devonte, being our guard tandem right now have got to continue to do a great job of being better on the ball.
From an off-the-ball defensive prospective in defending the post, we are going to have to continue to use our depth and to use our team approach in determines of defending the paint and get better there defensively. My biggest concern going into some of these games is taking care of the ball. Our guard play here in the last couple games in terms of taking care of it hasn't been very good. And I just think some of the other guys just dropping balls or not catching them or missing point blank layups, we got to be better than that in the simple plays. But offensively, if we're out of transition, we're not getting our break going, teams are going to take you out of that and make you play in the half court. Can we run efficient offense without turning the ball over? Because if we do, I think we can get to the foul line and I think that we have a lot of different players that can impact it. But if we turn it over 19 times, eight at the half, 11 more in the second half, that's a recipe for disaster. And Florida State is going to turn you over like crazy on Tuesday night. Their size, their switching, their length at the basket, it's going to be impossible just to get 2-point baskets. You're not going to have that. So our guards got to take care of it, our team has to be better offensively to take care of the ball when we get into a half court setting. If we get into transition, obviously, I think that's where we're at our best, but that's not going to be the case. We have to be able to run good offense, get quality shots, and at the end of the day we have to be a team that doesn't turn it over very many times. And these last three halfs; second half against our last opponent, and then moving into these last two halfs, if you look at the turnovers, it's just destroyed our offense. We really haven't taken care of the ball very well. So that's a big part of it is just taking care of the ball against good teams.
Q. You have all high majors going forward. Can you not have games where your two starting guards both didn't score a whole lot. Does that change when you're starting to face bigger teams now?
ARCHIE MILLER: Yeah, college basketball comes down to, obviously, your depth, but it comes down to guard play, we have always said that. And Al and Devonte tonight -- Al didn't shoot as it as much, I thought Al did a really nice job defensively, a big deal coming in the game was Brandon Key and his ability to make guys better. And he had six turnovers in the game and he was 1-6. Al had a big role in that. Devonte isn't, to me, wasn't feeling as well as he had in the past, you could tell that I didn't think he had his quickness as much, we're going to need him, but Al and Devonte in particular those guys are going to have to do a lot for us we know that. Armaan has got to get his confidence back, right now he's not playing with a whole lot of confidence shooting the ball, which, that's not a big deal, that comes and goes with young guys, it will come. And if we get Rob back here eventually it adds another guy where those guys aren't playing as many minutes. But we got to get Damezi and Jerome in there a little bit as much, as more. Part of their struggles offensively or part of their lack of scoring is they're just not playing enough minutes. Today they got more minutes, but as we play bigger teams, better teams those two guys got to continue to get in there.
Q. Second half you used the word "if" connected to Rob Phinisee's return. I guess is --
ARCHIE MILLER: I have no idea when he's going to
Q. Is that something being discussed?
ARCHIE MILLER: No. He's day-to-day with what we're doing, but I don't have a return date or when he's coming back to practice. He's kind of 50/50 on contact, non-contact. And but, no, there's no redshirt on the table right now.
Indiana Players - Devonte Green and Justin Smith
Q. Justin, it seems like you started to perfect that quick drive and then go up with the half hook. Is that, is that something you've always had or maybe something you're going to more this year?
JUSTIN SMITH: I guess so. If the guy who is guarding me is a smaller defender then I feel that I can use my strength to kind of get, use my body to get that quick hook shot over them. So it's definitely something I worked on over the summer and I'll continue to utilize during the season.
Q. For both you guys: You guys are open 7-0 on this season. What do both of you like about the team? And what do you really think that you guys are doing better this year than maybe you have in the past couple years?
DEVONTE GREEN: I like that we improve every game. I think we get a little better and take something away from the last game. Also, we come out to play as hard as we can every game.
JUSTIN SMITH: I would say our depth and being able to play one through, I think 11, just being able to three a bunch of different guys at the other team, create some matchup problems, and kind of just use our versatility to our strength.
Q. Devonte, I think Trayce has had four double doubles now in seven games. What's allowed him to come into college basketball and play this well as a freshman? And how much have you seen him improve since maybe this summer when he came on campus and started working with you guys?
DEVONTE GREEN: I think it's just mentality, keeping that aggressive mentality on the boards and around the paint. Also I mean, he's such a good athlete that it's, he has that advantage of getting boards over guys. So, I mean, I won't say much of an improvement. He has always been a good rebounder. I wouldn't say it was much of an improvement, but that's what he does.
Q. After the last game Coach talked about defense and making other teams work when they have the ball. You guys had a couple shot clock violations. Is that something you guys talked about this week and do you feel like you guys defended better overall today?
JUSTIN SMITH: Yeah, I would say that we did. We focused a lot on defense, especially ball screen defense, knowing that they really like to do that. So we were able to key in on our schemes and get it done defensively today.
Q. From a rebounding standpoint, you guys out-rebounded them 45 to 29. What has been the key for you guys just to hit the glass hard and especially to have that kind of advantage at that kind of margin?
DEVONTE GREEN: I think we emphasize it a lot in practice. Do a bunch of rebounding drills and, fortunately, we have just had a size advantage on our opponents, so I think that's part of it.
Q. Have you guys talked about how this is kind of your break, your change in the schedule? You go from playing mid majors to all bigger schools from this point forward. Or is that just something that's unspoken? And maybe moving forward, Devonte, do you see it as more, it will be more guard-oriented than maybe where you had the front-court advantage against these smaller school teams?
DEVONTE GREEN: We take every opponent just as serious as the next. And guards are always important in our offense, and just in this game. But I think if we keep doing what we're doing then we'll still have the advantage on the other team.
Q. Coach Miller has talked about wanting to have 12 or fewer turnovers, and last game wasn't good in that regard. And then tonight you guys had 19. What was maybe some of the issues that you either of you see that you had tonight and what can you do to correct that going forward?
JUSTIN SMITH: I would say in the first half we were trying to force it inside, especially with a team that was defending us by crowding the paint. There's a lot of different hands in there, so when we were throwing it inside it was hard to get around the defenders. I think also just being sure with our passes and not try and make the home-run play. Just kind of just making good plays. But we'll probably shore that up and I'm sure we'll work on that going forward.
Q. Justin, 16 offensive rebounds for you guys today but only six second-chance points. What could have helped you guys kind of convert on some of those extra opportunities for you guys today?
JUSTIN SMITH: Taking our time once we get the ball, going up strong, not letting the defense kind of impact us down there.
Q. I know Mike talked about kind of the break in the schedule from going from the mid majors to the high majors, but just for either of you who have played in big games in this arena there's going to be a big one here Tuesday. How excited are you to kind of get that maybe big-game atmosphere here at home for the first time this season?
DEVONTE GREEN: I'm always excited to play in Assembly Hall, but it's always an advantage for us when there's a lot more fans here and they're a lot louder and the game's more intense. So I would say I'm excited.
South Dakota State Head Coach Eric Henderson
Can we get your quick thoughts on the game?
Obviously, really proud of our guys' compete level, I thought they did a good job of battling. Defensively, we're pretty sharp on the glass and it took its toll and they used their length, athleticism and physicality and got a few too many extra chances. Obviously, having 17 turnovers is something that we've struggled with all year to be honest with you. It's something that we need to improve on. When you come into an environment like this and you give up second chance points and then you don't take care of the basketball as well as you'd like, it puts you in a tough spot. But really proud of our guys' effort and their compete level. We're always going to do that, so proud of that.
You mentioned the second chances, was that a concern coming into the game?
Yes. Certainly, when you play a power five school like this, you worry about their athleticism and their physicality and you always know it's something that you have to be conscious of. We certainly were, and we certainly talked about it. But it's certainly easier said than done.
Was there anything Indiana did that surprised or impressed you?
We thought maybe they'd get out and pressure us a little bit and spread the floor out and we'd try and play behind it. But they did a good job of shrinking the floor and making us score from the perimeter, which we didn't shoot very well either. So, that combination wasn't great. But, they did a good job of protecting the rim. I just thought they'd get out and pressure us a little bit, but they are who they are and they're going to do what they do.
Tray Buchanan had a huge game, was that something you expected coming in? Especially against Indiana's bigger lineups?
Tray is a dynamic player, he has that scorer's mentality. He is very capable and night of putting the ball in the basket. That was good to see from Tray. We've been trying to work him in more and more. He's had limited minutes up till now, and he's proved that he's earned them. He's been very efficient and has been efficient as he's ever been, so really proud of Tray.
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